The Olympic Conflict - is there a solution?
In the links bar, you will find an article titled "London 2012 Games To Be Held During Ramadan". Please read the whole article to understand the various issues involved in this difficult situation.
What is your suggestion for the IOC?? The summer games are by tradition held in the SUMMER. According to tradition, Ramadan's dates fall during the summer of 2012. What can be done to schedule these summer games and yet respect the beliefs, customs and traditions of all athletes - including the 25% of the athletes who are Muslim??
What would YOU suggest to the IOC?????
posted by Ms Watt @ 5:41 PM
111 Comments:
this is a good topic...in one sense I think some people are blowing this out of porportion when they say it's anti-muslim, but it could be a lack of awareness, i certainly didn't know that that month would be ramadan
I think that the muslim athletes may be at a bit of a disadvantage but that is a sacrifice you make for your faith and although we should try our best to accomadate this holy month, in the end it's really up to them
i agree... but we could try to make such a international event as the olympics work for all walks of faith and every race after all, it's as much for them as it is for us.
for sure, but the comment that we wouldn't schedule this on christmas is a little unfair, after all, christmas is the same time every year so it's easy to know when not to schedule the events, and there is more than just christmas at that time, but im not advocating that it's right, it's just something we have to work on to make this a truly all-accepting world
that's a little profound... i agree that the comment was unfair...and we should try to make this a more accepting world... but maybe the best solution for the IOC is to try to move it more towards the end of Ramadan since the athletes will be more acostomed then
did anyone even bother to consult the actual athletes seeing as were speaking for them, surely their comments would be the most important in reaching a decision, this is about them...
the dictionary (wikipedia) definition of the olympics starts out as "an international multi-event competion used to foster cross-border relationships..." I'm pretty sure that includes all religions, races, and cultures, so as long as the muslim athletes feel they are feeling the benefit of those relationships,whether or not they win or lose, perhaps that is all that truly matters?
It's sooooo unfair!!!! And it probably is anti-muslim...didn't u read the article?! "They'll train their bodies to cope with it.." Snort. Whatever! They can reschedule it in my opinion....maybe just a tiny bit into September...I know...I know..it's not a good time....but it's not good for it to be while Ramadan either. Did u read what Jack Straw said?! That guy is soooo annoying!!!!! They should seriously be more accepting...
Okay....okay..let me tell you this: I went to another site and read a similar article to this and in it were the absolute worst insults and swear word to muslims. AND MUSLIMS ARE NOT SUICIDE BOMBERS!!!!!!!! SUICIDE BOMBERS SHOULD NOT BE CALLED MUSLIMS. They should be called jerks.
Thank you peace_love.
They're not doing what the definition says.
wow, you obviously didn't read a single thing I wrote sapphire, i suggest you refer to comment one... you find it insulting that they scheduled it during ramdan? well what if i find it insulting you think we're anti-muslim, just because they had bad timing doesn't mean they're racist, accusing people without hearing they're side of the story can cause serious fights, trust me I've seen it happen. and if you notice the man who said "they're bodies will adapt" was muslim himself. i'm not necessarily supporting holding the olympics in the middle of ramadan, but things like this you should be willing to sacrifice for your faith, and in all honesty, you can still run when it's ramadan can't you? Maybe, since your still eating and sleeping, it wouldn't be that bad, although in such a highly competitive event i can see the flaws in that... but, much more than winning gold, the olympics are about the relationship between countries, and although this probably isn't the best way to start a friendship, if no one took this as so insulting maybe it wouldn't be so horrible. For example, those horrible comments about the muslims being suicide bombers, they meant to be harmful and can be seen as such, but the comment that the athletes might be able to adapt their bodies is merely a suggestion, not an insult, and finally, did you consider the posssibility that athletes that train for the whole year would be able to overcome this setback? We should probably get their opinions before we speak on their behalf, which is why i'm going to find such an article.
that was a long comment, but i don't want to sound mean, i just meant that maybe we're not looking into this enough.
you said it peace_love
I must remind all of you that our comments must always show respect for the other members of the blog and their opinions shared.
This is a great discussion - let's keep to the issues and avoid personal commentary.
to help you understand what i mean by blowing it out of porpotion by saying it's anti-muslim... here is a few examples. First off, the male/female struggle, the female is the muslim while the male is the other, If a male were to make any sort of un feministic comment, like women are stupid, or girls belong in the kitchen, they would be shouted at for many hours and then shunned, but if any female made an anti-male comment such as men are idiots or men can't cook, we would all just laugh, as is openly reflected by our media, the same scenario works with black and white skin, no white person could insult black people without being black listed from society, but black people openly mock white people like in a movie where one person accidentely made a anti-black comment and the black woman said what if I made an anti-white rhyme and they replied you would probably get a record deal. Does that mean anti-female or anti-black comments are right? No it doesn't it just means sometimes we take things to personally when no one meant any harm.
GROAN! Please don't misunderstand me again! Why do people always misunderstand me?! I didn't say that you're anti-muslim...I said that THEY, as in the Olympic schedule people are. And they are. I mean...not really in this specific issue, but I've seen them act horribly in other ones. Also in Ramadan you get weak, you can't drink a single drop of water or food from sunrise till sunset. My marks went down becuse of this. I' love Ramadan...but it does create small problems wich are nothing compared to the wonderful thing you gain. And the guy didn't give a suggestion-he demanded it. I've the right to feel bad becuase of some of the opinions that are going around all over the world about muslims.
I agree that people in agreeing to do the olympics are agreeing to a commitment and should be able to make some sacrifices for that but like it said in the article they probaly wouldn't have organized this at Christmas and ramadan is the most important part of the year for so many people.
I just read that comment on the fact that christmas is the same time every year and yes i probaly should have read all the comments before i posted it but i think the importance of that comment was that people should be more considerate of the athletes though they didn't really get say in the article either.
I really don't think that any of the athletes are happy about this...I definitley am not, and I am a big fan of especailly my country. I dunno...maybe they will learn to train their bodies but it just seems illogical.
right now at this moment i beleive that htere is nothing anyone can or is going to try and do to change the dates, I realize that this is an important time for the muslims and the entire world, but do you think everyone else isnt making sacrifices?
I don't think they're willing to giv up such a month
i agree that both this is an important month for muslims and that this scheduling feels insulting to them. i think the IOC, being for international cooperation, should at least reconsider the dates, so the muslim atheletes can do both. if there is no way for a change in date, well i guess a comprimise will have to take place.
To some people the olympics is just as important to them as ramadan is important to muslims. I know that ramadan is the muslims holy month but the olympics is somes holy month as well. tis like asking them to change the date of ramadan
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Hey! I'm saapphire-remember?! You don't know me...I was in the Tuesday class. Anyhow, I'm interested in going to Camren Heights!
There are many solutions to this conflict, (but these solutions are not realistic).
1. change the date of the olympic game
2. change the date of the ramadan
3. don't fast during ramadan
If those doesn't work, then...
4. go back in time through a wormhole
5. change the calender so that month could appear two times
Given more thought to it now, this is preety unfair to the muslum countries. I wish they would not run in to these problems again, and make olympic a real multicultural and international event.
both are important, but ramadan's dates can't be changed i don't think. the only solution is to change the olympics. i don't think london will like this as they have planned all constructions along with these dates. i think the only possibility is for those muslim atheletes wishing to participate in the games, to not fast during ramadan, but make up for it afterwards. i believe i have heard that you can fast after ramadan if you missed any days, so this might be able to work.
First off, Welcome back, Postman Craig-surprise to hear from you
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I'm not quite sure how they should solve this whole matter-although the olympics are still years away, I am assuming that it is too late to change the date. It was stupid of them to schedual during this time, and I think that it will mightly affect the Olympics. Trying to see this from the other's view, I would think that this would be every individuals choice, but to work towards this for years and years and to miss out because someone schedualed it at a bad time is devastating. If it was possible, I would hope they would try to reschedual the Olympics at least by a few weeks at either end to try and accomadate everybody. I am sorry for the people who have to make this decision.
Come on, there is nothing noone can do or nothing anyone will do to correct this situation
Muslims can be a little more relaxed I guess. It's true-you can...
OMG....OMG...OMG....OMG....OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SOMETHING JUST SLAPPED ME IN THE FACE! AN IDEA!!!! A FACT!!! MUSLIMS ARE NOOOOOOOOT ALOWED AT ALL TO FAST WHEN THEY'RE FAR FROM THEIR HOMETOWN BY AT LEAST 24 KM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!IT'S SO THEY THEMSELVES WILL BE AT EASE!
of coarse they have to make up for it later. WHY ON EARTH DIDN'T THAT HIT ME BEFORE....WHY DIDN'T THEY THINK OF IT???!!!???!!! I FEEL MY HEAD SPINNING.
Oh yeah...if there are Muslims living in London they can simply go out of town and go back again in the same day. This way their fast is ruined but it's not a sin. This rule's been made for these situations. I myself had to that cuz I had a cold but we weren't sure if I should fast or not. I guess I was so angry I didn't stop to think!
Uh...I'm confused. My dad told me that they've already changed the date. He told me it wasn't really the fasting issue but mostly because Ramadan is a time for prayers and worship and stuff-a time when u devote yourself to God and try to sin less, try to get closer to God...all that stuff. Which I respect. I just adore the preyers...you really do feel better after. Anyhow...olympic would throw them and us off our main concern. Also Ramadan's like a peaceful holiday.
Postman Craig said...
Dearest Comrades,
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Well, I suppose that would be all- I am an "outsider" in terms of student populations, but I believe it was mentioned that I could communicate with you in this manner anyway. Great Scott! it's been too long. I am looking forward to seeing all of you! It would be impossible to know how much I miss you all-enough sentiment. You're going to love high school and, if you are going to Cameron, IB.
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I figure the discussions are for you, so i will not comment as much as i would like to in my gabbing for hours (in all diplomatic means, of course.) So I shall refrain. It's hard, trust me.
Rocking On,
Postman Craig.
Hello everyone, and Welcome back Postman Craig!!!
I'm so happy to have you back here! You'll notice that I copied the e-mail that you wanted me to edit into a new comment by me (with your name gone), then deleted your original. I hope that's ok - it seemed the easiest way!
The rest of you have probably figured out that I e-mailed Kayla and Craig right after class on Tuesday and have invited them to come in and talk to us about life in pre-IB at Cameron Heights. We're so looking forward to having you visit. Let's arrange it soon! In the meantime, stay in touch and feel free to share your thoughts here Postman!
saphire may you please explain your new found info.
No muslim is allowed to fast when they're away from their home town by about 24 km. Olympic's held in London. London.How many muslims live there?! And if they do live there and attend the Olympics they can simply travel 24 km out of town before noon(they can come back after,) and they're free to eat and drink only to make up for their broken fasts after Ramadan. I did that when I had a cold. So there's no need for a change in schedule...or did they already change it?! If they did it was probably cuz of religious reasons. So do u get what I mean by the fasting thing?
P.S. I'm so excited to see Postamn Craig and Kayla!
Thanks Ms. Watt! That was an unexpected dificuluty by me at your expense. Sorry! But yes, we must indeed do some organization. You cannot possibly know how excited I am! (If it were possible for you to imagine me bouncing from floor to ceiling in an unliteral fashion, you might get the idea.)
Rocking On,
Postman Craig!
We spend a lot of time at McQuarrie excited, so unilateral bouncing won't look out of place at all. I expect a demo, Postman....
As for the distance exceptions in Ramadan, that's interesting. It makes me wonder why the IOC didn't have that info in the first place, therefore avoiding the controversy. I'd like to look into this a little more, before I comment further.....Thanks for sharing all of this, Sapphire....and for so many great comments from everyone else!!
actually Sapphire there are many muslims in london. i looked it up on wikipedia, and it says that the number of muslims living in the u.k. is quite a number. just wanted to clarify.
Thankx for the info!
Why didn't the muslims mention this fact that they're free to not fast?! I mean...I know it might thorw them off their preyers but they wouldn't need to fast and their preyers would be half as short becuase of the distance, meaning that they'd be only 1 or 2 mins each! Some muslims just get on my nerves...now the whole world's probably thinking we're always angry and offended...
You have the consolidation of knowing that I don't. My opinion was that it was the Olympic's fault and that Muslims had a right to be outraged (but they can know counteract and "cheat around" the rules, per say.)
Rocking On,
Postman Craig
Sapphire, you sure your idea works?
I mean, there are different branches of Islam which believe in different things. If your idea really works, then this would not be a issue at the first place. Not ot offend you, but I don;t think they could cheat by not fasting because they're far from home.
in all honesty i think that the olympic persons probably just didn't realize the month they were scheduling it in since its years away, but the muslims still have every right to be outraged. hopefully the solution provided by sappire does work, but the muslims still can be annoyed that they must mess up their fasting routine, but i suppose the choice of sacrifice is up to them
i hope that the olympic personal really did not mean anything by scheduling it in that month, but i'm not sure there is anything anyone can really change
well this is certainly new, an article on www.speroforum.com has joanna cooper from the olympic organizer people saying they knew they were scheduling it on ramadan but they thought they could accomadate it,
on a nicer note i found confirmation of sapphire's idea on that article, saying they don't have to fast if doing sports or travelling but then again in accordance to my wikipedia definition, they should have differed the dates for a friendship building games evevt
by the way it also said that those dates were pretty much the only possible dates that were inside the window given by ioc, that could round up 70 000 volunteers and have less crowded transportation
are you saying that they intentionally placed the olympics in ramadan? That kind of does sound anti-muslim
although they did know that ramadan was happening at the same time as the olypmpics, i don't think it was anti-muslim, more like it was the best possible date for the requirements and they didn't realize it would present such a problem
well it did obviously. scheduling an event in a holy holiday, that is bound to spark contraversy.
Well..there u go...
Maybe they didn't excactly think it was such a big deal so maybe they're not anti-muslim. Anyhow, yes my idea does work and it's not cheating. The rule's been made to help muslims. They have to make up for it later. All they hav to do is travel 20 km out of town every 10 days. If they live in London, than everyday. They just drive back and forth. I did that for a day cuz I had a terrible cold.
Anyhow...the olympics still does interrupt the month, but then we ourselves hav to somehow fix the problem cuz the others just don't care-the schedulers i mean, they're helpless.
I JUST PREY THAT MUSLIMS DON'T DO ANYTHING STUPID LIKE SUICIDE BOMBING CUZ THAT JUST RUINS THE RESPECT FOR ISLAM!!!!!!!
sigh. Our holy prophet was never violent...some people just don't know how to be a true muslim!
its not just muslims, through out history all kinds of people, from the athiest to the christians and jews have commited violent acts ruining their reputation, it's a human problem.
clearly the best option would be to consult the muslim candidates and hear what they think should be done.
sorry, by candidates i meant athletes
Quite reasonable.
a suitable proposal indeed.
a good idea but there could be disagreements among the athletes, and even if the athletes reach an agreed upon idea, there is no garantee it's possible, but still, it's the best idea i've heard
well i pray they find a workable solution
I agree with peace_love that the violence problem is a human one, not one that is unique to any faith, beliefs, race or otherwise. We ALL have to be careful not to generalize and stereotype when we talk about any one group of people. Within any group there are varying opinions and depths of belief. Also, within most groups there are those that bring pride to the group as a whole and those that bring shame. We cannot judge a whole group by the acts of a few.
That is very very true...I just hopepeople remember to that.
humans have many problems from violence to stereotyping, the best solution is to keep an open mind and follow the basic rule of life, treat others as you yourself would wish to be treated
So many times I've wondered what the world would be like everyone kept an open mind...if no one was treated equally...if all things were considered for everones comfort and happiness....
What would the world be like if there was no violence, no war?!
Will it ever be rid of human violence and ignorance?!
that's not for us to answer, after all, we're as much a part of the problem, after all none of us are perfect, who can't name ten things they did wrong, ten things they wish they could take back, if you look at every situation seperatley maybe then we could make a difference, it's up to us in the end.
It's not up to us to answer but we can look for the answer. We should be like philosophers! Of coarse nobody's perfect....but it is still not wrong to imagine a perfect world.
how very true
The world with no evil is very hard to imagine, because such thing doesn't exist in our universe. That's where our imagination come into place, but I personally don't think such a world will work. If there is no evil, there will be no good, because good and evil exist at the same time. Without one there would not be the other. Isn't such world going to be a bit "boring"?
I've thought of that too...it's kinda like the thinkingof life is not possible without thinking of death as well. But I don't think the world would be "boring," there'd still be lots of ambition...and not everyone would beleive the same things neccessarily! Everyone would still hav many goals...like trying to "keep," peace and to prevent evil things from happening.
" without the ugly there is no beautiful"
These are some lyrics from a song-I would agree with q squared.
There's no such thing as ugly-especailly in humans. And in nature nothing's ugly-only weird or fascinatingly beautiful. Are u trying to say that there should be war and killing in the world?
What are you talking about. ( why is everybody so socialist these days)
I'm talking about the truth of life which nobody accepts.
Okay,okay...I must clarify something. There is such a thing as ugly in the CRIMES that people commit...not in their personality neccassarily beacuse that's them and we should value that BUT some of the things that they choose to do is ugly...like killing. HOWEVER..there's no such thing as uglyin the appearance of a human being or something that exists in the natural world. Also...our world has already EXPERIENCED ugly events so thereofore... there would be such thing as a beautiful world with the ugliness gone. We'd be able to experience beauty becuase we'd been striving for it before. Just like life...becuase we're already immortal, if we someday find this magical potion that makes us mortal, than we wouldn't ever bethinking of death when we think of the glory of life again...unless you want to die cuz u no longer think life is so glorious.
I didn't mean it in that way at all-I was just trying to point out the fact that if we didn't have anything "ugly" or sad, how would we know what beauty or happiness was?? In no way do I want people running around shooting each other, but evil and bad is very much a part of our world, and our role is to try and prevent some of it.
this is very off topic. i do agree with m&m though.
Yea-how did we really get here??
m&m makes a good point, but isn't the perfect world what we dream for? the perfect world has a balance, between good and bad, but if the evil is human than the balance is off.
That's what I said:"we've experienced ugly or sad already."
Do guys still not agree with me?
So...we can experience happiness wittout sadness now cuz we've already experienced sadness. I guess it's no use explaining cuz u'll want to disagree with me<.<(as usual!)
now we're entirely off topic. i think that the most of us agreed that the best solution was to consult the muslim atheletes for their opinions, followed by re-scheduling according to the views displayed. i think that the discussion is almost over. i just hope we don't get so off topic next time.
i think that if any thing these people should have knowen, i mean like, it not all just some religions working on the olympics... is it? there Has to be at least one muslim working on the olympics so, when did they coment on this befor or after the date was set? dang it... mabey. hard to put it in words srry lol
It's funny how complicated matters have simple solutions. This Olympic probem is easily solved with the opinion of the athletes. The porblem is, look at how long it took us to get there.
How many other problems exist that have simple solutions?
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." One must know that in physics a force always has to be counterbalanced by a counter-force. Sadly, this rule must apply to everyhing. Violence with peace. Ignorance with understanding.
Ugly situations with beautiful ones. Crime with Justice, hate with love, pride with humility, selfishness with charity. One cannot and does not exist without the other. if the world knew no selfish desires, it could not know selfless ones- there is nothing to compare it to, there is no opposite.
One canot expresss compassion if you cannot equally express your own desires. You do not have to, as long as you are capable of. The thing to remember is that with opposite forces the world is offset. We must have magnetic forces, lift must oppose gravity, push and pull, etc, tetc. The smae applies to human expression and action.
However, one can exist oppressed. I f you know what one is like and what it does because of that, you still have a choice, the thought is still there. But you can make the right decision. And that's how justice is formed, that's how a true world of peace exists. Not with the other negated completely, but with the people seeing from the past how their choices affect the future and what it gains for the commonwealth and themselves. If one can compare, one can make the correct decision.
One can still make the wrong choice, as some do. They posess a lack of vision, as we all do at points in our lives. They see little in foresight in which they must see more.
I'm no theologian or very adept at theoretical concepts, but this is what I know.
I would alos like have a say on the stereotype: the power of hate is the strongest human force. It is the most aggressive, because that is what it is- a powerful example. It spekas louder than anything else. If you were in Wednesday's area class last year you would remember the arm wrestling with different thoughts adn the formation of the ice crystals. In the same way, the act of one wrong is greater tenfold than that of the right. The wrongs of the dissidents bring embarassment to the nation.
Well, anyway, that's all just my wierd ramblings.
Rocking On,
Postman Craig
This is a good discussion even if we are a bit off topic!
Yes, Sapphire YOU know what sad and evil is, BUT the next generation won't!!! If you have read the book "Giver", you will know what I mean. The world could not be without evil because there will not be any standard of good.
Well said Postman Craig and q squared!!
Yes, the world have to be balanced out by a central equallibrium, which means the contribution of the both beautiful and evil.
Nice explanation postman carig...even though I do not entirely agree with it...I never said a perfectly peaceful world does not contain things such as human hate, selfishness, or whatever. A perfect world is simply the highest level POSSIBLE for a world to reach-like no such things war. That's quite possible. Things such as peer pressure and violence will always exist.
i think the IOC could make the majority of the events after sunset, just put the events in a closed stadium that is lit properly and the problem is solved
ok, it's not like they knew that they were going to have the games on ramadan, but it should have been something they were going to think about.Because the athletes celebrating Ramadan are fasting, they will have a disadvantage of the rest of the competitors. i do think that the Olympic Planners should maybe move the games, as far as they can, just to make it so that the competitors will be able to compete well, and not be ignoring their most important holiday if they don't fast that year.
Also, what if there are other not as well known religions or holidays that hardly anyone knows about, and has been effecting other athletes for years? I know it may not be true, but if it is, they also may have been having a disadvantage too. I think that each year the IOC should check, to see if the Olympics are getting in the was of some important celebration.
I agree!
If the theory you are divising that people are at a disadvantage then you might as well cancel the games because everyone is always going to suffer a disasvantage
"Not as well-known relgions and holidays?" Maybe if the athletes were a form of cultists, but the Olympic commitee would have no way of checking, and the athletes would surelynot say anything... after all, most cults are to be secretive. Then again, maybe some people haven't heard of Robbie Burns day... well, they should, 'cause it needs to be on every right good calendar, along with good old Wallace's birthday! Mt hero... a man after freedom.
Rocking On,
Postman Craig
i think the I.O.C may have a good idea. (Changing the dates so Ramadan celebretors can still have two weeks to celebrate Ramadan.) And yes, they should check into if they are cutting into religious holidays. I mean, they wouldn't have the Olympics on Christmas! I think, if it is a big deal,and ppl celebrating Ram. can't not fast, they should change the Olympics to the year before or after. It wouldn't harm the London set-up, since they will have 5 years more to get ready. And if ppl who don't celebrate Ramadan don't like it, then ask them if they wouldn't mind having to skip their most religios holiday!
Sapphire_Turquoise:
That is very interesting! (About the 24km not have to fast whole thing.) And yes, I guess that the athletes would have to decide what they want more. To fast, or to go in the Olympics.
I sure like your opinions purple pickle...and yes...isn't the 24 km thing ever so awesome?! I just luv that rule:)
wow good posts :)
i don't really know wat to say now... we'r woking on to different topics :P
I think the IOC knew about it, but since summer is so short, they have no other day to schedual it, Well, not everyone is going to be happy about everything, or else it's better to cancel the games and then we won't run to any trouble.
I haven't been participating in this topic that much but from what I've read I would say that summer, even though it may seem really short, it not that short. if they (IOC)knew about Ramadan and all the athletes and fans who were affected by it then they would have to do something about it even if the only thing they do is make a big deal about how "we have got no other solution as to when to hold the olympics"....yadayadayada
then at least the Islamic people would think they were being thought of.
I have to agree with spphire_turquoise with the perfect world thing; no matter how hard we try peer pressure and some form of violence will always be there. Its more or less a part of us to be wanting revenge or to be afraid if we're the only person standing for something.
Has anybody been listening to me?
you can't reschedule the games, for they have alloted dates. therefor ethe choice is simple: choose one or the other.
WOW....SOMEONE AGREED WITH ME!!!!
And yes, general s we've been listening to you...feel free to share your ideas.
did i agree with you?
you sure did
I meant cornchip.
so who did i agree with?
You agreed with m&m.
It's interesting that they are called the 'summer olympics' when it's only summer in the northern hemishere. Mmmmm??? Remember the world maps we looked at last year and the effect they had on our perception of world power? Summer olympics, eh? What do you think of that, aussies??
In terms of the Olympics having 'set' dates, maybe that's what should be considered - changing the policies that make anything SET that conflicts with 1/4 of the participating athletes.
I think they will keep it "northern-hemisphere summer." It's more or less traditional- keep in mind that the Olymics come from Greece in the Athens arena, so that's when they would have been held. Traditionally there was no winter Olympics either. I do not think that the "world power" issue applies within. Go look on a map and tell me how close Greece is to the Mideast. Also keep in mind that just becasue the athletes are Muslim doesn't mean they live in their native land. How many live in the "power" countries, or otherwise? As for the Aussies- it's somewhat comparable to us going to Hawaii or the Caribbean for winter vacation! I'm such everyone would love to do that!
No doubt the Olympics should pay closer attention to dates. Well, considering how long it takes them to decide on where the Olympics are to be held, they probably do. In this instance, there were probably too many variables that conflicted with other dates, forcing it to be on Ramadan, which is indeed not at all optimal. Of course, it's not like us being under the control of the media will ever hear such variables. But that is probably why.
Rocking On,
Postman Craig
Very interesting that it's only summer in the northern hemisphere at "summer olympics". I think it's because there are more people in the northern hemisphere than the southern hemisphere, and we tend to follow the majority (or the richest).
Again Iwish there were no such things as borders! So many people disagrre with me on that...trust me.
You aint changin' my point of view sapphire
Of coarse, but the same goes for u.
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